(Photo: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports)
In a speech to the National Pres Club today, Capitals Head Coach Barry Trotz revealed that during recent NHL meetings the league reviewed the Joel Ward “No Goal” call that came in game 5 of the second round series against the Rangers. All 30 NHL head coaches reviewed the controversial play and all 30 head coaches voted that it was a good goal. Yes all 30. That means that even the Rangers voted it should have been a good goal. Let’s (painfully) refresh our memory:
The review of the play was part of discussions that led up to development of a new “Coaches Challenge” rule that was subsequently approved by the league. As you may recall, the Capitals were leading the series 3 games to 1 and looking to close out the Rangers, and the series. As we all know now, the Capitals could have used the goal.
A tweet from Washington Post reporter, Alex Prewitt:
The video of the speech. Trotz discusses this issue at the 52:40 mark the video.
The entire series the referee’s kept turning the other way and the Rangers did a lot of nasty things that should have been penalties. The NBCSN host Mike was not unbiased and clearly sided with the Rangers crying the Caps hit to hard.
I agree. The whole thing smelled. Caps were ready to take the Rangers 4 games to 1. Smh.
Fuck these refs. Fucking pathetic sacks of shit.
Well said.
How far into the speech is it? http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/articles/barry-trotz-national-press-club-luncheon-live-070815
Nevermind, I saw a few people questioning the validity of the site and link, so for those doubting the validity… here ya go at the exact moment. You get the question and answer. https://youtu.be/DcoYg4zZ_2w?t=52m37s
Told ya.
Thank you Danial, I hadn’t had time to locate in video. I was at the luncheon, and heard him say it.
If you guys really knew anything about ice hockey you would see that Ward makes contact with Henrik impeading his ability to move to the puck way before it gets too the goal….. This was clearly Goaltender interference………. your making this call soley cause your team lost…….
Read the article. Even your own coach ruled it a good goal during review at recent NHL meetings. Read!
I question the whole article. I don’t think it was reported correctly. There is no way all 30 voted the same….. I think the reply was used to try to get this type of play reviewable and they all voted to make this type of play reviewable. But I do not believe that they all voted that this was a good goal cause it clearly wasn’t a good goal……..
Watch the video of Trotz, Also linked in the article. Just because you don’t like the results, doesnt mean it isn’t true.
Let’s just get this out there that you’re an idiot. And on to the actual play, if you push the opposing player into your goalie like it clearly was here, thats your own damn fault and the goal was a good goal no matter how you look at it. Even Ray Charles would’ve been able to see it was good.
Well said. Lol.
I don’t debate with children that call names…….. we can disagree without being childish. so go FUCK YOURSELF.
Scott. If all 30 coaches agree it was a good goal, i kind of believe them over you. 1) they are more experienced than you. 2) it was a good goal. 3) 30 coaches X An average of 10 yrs experience =300 yrs + experience. You probably =0! Case closed.
I played Goal at the Jr. “B”evel and had a ATC with the N.Y. Islanders in 1976. I just have watched it so many times and I 1) don’t see Ward being puched into Henrik and 2) cannot see all 30 agreeing. I think there is smoe miss information in the story…….
Told ya.
1) you didnt watch the video 2) just because you don’t like the outcome, calling it “misinformation’ is irresponsible and petty.
Well said.
This from the NHL rulebook: “Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.”
“If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.“
A couple of things we know from the replay of Matt Niskanen’s/Joel Ward’s disallowed goal: 1) Ward was completely outside the crease, which can plainly be seen in the photo above . 2) Henrik Lundqvist was at least partially (mostly by the above photo) outside the crease. 3) Ward was sandwiched between Lundqvist and Derek Stepan, who, by accident or not, made contact with Ward knocking him into the NYR goaltender. The above photo shows Stepan clearly making contact.
So based on the NHL rulebook, this was a good goal. Period.
Of course, the action happened so fast and it was not reviewable. the refs would have had to be in perfect position to process all the variables at that speed; but they were not in the best position. The Capitals should have had a 2-0 lead after this play.
Stepan is not stupid; he knows the puck is past him and that by pushing Ward he potentially creates the scenario that happened at virtually NO risk. It worked. It was the wrong call.
By the way, I am NOT the same ‘anonymous” that posted the other comments. the above is my first post in this discussion.
This from the NHL rulebook: “Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.”
“If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.“
A couple of things we know from the replay of Matt Niskanen’s/Joel Ward’s disallowed goal: 1) Ward was completely outside the crease, which can plainly be seen in the photo above . 2) Henrik Lundqvist was at least partially (mostly by the above photo) outside the crease. 3) Ward was sandwiched between Lundqvist and Derek Stepan, who, by accident or not, made contact with Ward knocking him into the NYR goaltender. The above photo shows Stepan clearly making contact.
So based on the NHL rulebook, this was a good goal. Period.
Of course, the action happened so fast and it was not reviewable. the refs would have had to be in perfect position to process all the variables at that speed; but they were not in the best position. The Capitals should have had a 2-0 lead after this play.
Stepan is not stupid; he knows the puck is past him and that by pushing Ward he potentially creates the scenario that happened at virtually NO risk. It worked. It was the wrong call.
{I originally posted this as “Anonymous” but wanted to differentiate my comment from the other “Anonymous” posts, which are not mine}.
Lundqvist came out of his crease, I’m pretty sure it’s not goalie interference unless it’s in the blue paint.
The rules clearly state that if the player attempts to avoid the goalie and that goalie is out of the crease when the puck comes into play there is no goalie interference. Plus Ward was shoved into the goalie.
That’s my point. Ward is pushed into Lundqvist, outside the crease. Case closed.
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